It’s me, Nick! Glad to have found your page.

Thank you for your comments. Many of the comments you give are fair, but you’ve also go to realize this was a debate, so much could have been said better had the circumstances been in more relaxed context. And while I did my best given the time and size constraints, I look back and still notice things I could have done better.

I don’t really see how you ‘refuted’ my case on Romans 8:3, especially considering “sin offering” is given in the NASB. Further, given that you didn’t really interact with the main points leads me to wonder if you’re giving my case as a whole a fair look. Rom 8:3 was a tiny piece of the story. My opponent should have gone to Rom 8:3 himself if he thought it supported Psub, then I would have been happy to spend more time there. I showed very conclusively that atonement is done in terms of turning away of wrath, appeasing it, not redirecting it so that an innocent person receives it. My opponent danced around the clear Biblical texts I gave. Propitiation is a close NT term for atonement, and it means the same thing. So to build Psub off of such a term is actually self-refuting.

As for Romans 3:24-25, you are correct that I didn’t discuss it. I wish I had. That is the single biggest regret I had in that debate shortly after the debate ended. It seems like the obvious stuff has a tendency to be overlooked, and I simply didn’t remember to get to it. Again, it would have been something my opponent hopefully would have brought up, but he didn’t. I consider Rom 3:24f to be one of the biggest anti-Psub passages out there, for it uses two terms incompatible with Psub: ‘atonement’ and ‘redemption’. The terms were discussed elsewhere in my debate, relating to turning away wrath (as opposed to diverting it) and to buying back at a price (not punishing). Also, the use of the term ‘forbearance’ also contradicts Psub, for that term means to hold off punishing so that the dispute can be resolved in an alternative manner.

I don’t see an option on your blog to “email me of follow up comments,” so I’m not sure I’ll get your response if you decide to talk more.

I’m sure there are exceptions to that. Not trying to throw stones at anyone in particular.