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	<title>Comments on: The Church is not the visible church?</title>
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	<description>The cyberstalkable freelance writer making retractions on the web since 2000.... Oops, 1993?</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2008/01/22/the-church-is-not-the-visible-church/comment-page-1/#comment-113761</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark,

I liked this post. The root problem is the way in which we have been trained to read Scripture at a fundamental level. How many of us read all the first person plural pronouns as reference to the elect? It was Calvin who taught me to stop doing that. 

For example, 2 Pet 3:9, the &quot;us&quot; etc. We could put some distance between the text and that simple assumption that every critical &quot;us&quot; or &quot;we&quot; or even third person reference refers to the elect and not to the body of Christ, even the body in vital living union, we would see things differently.

Take care,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark,</p>
<p>I liked this post. The root problem is the way in which we have been trained to read Scripture at a fundamental level. How many of us read all the first person plural pronouns as reference to the elect? It was Calvin who taught me to stop doing that. </p>
<p>For example, 2 Pet 3:9, the &#8220;us&#8221; etc. We could put some distance between the text and that simple assumption that every critical &#8220;us&#8221; or &#8220;we&#8221; or even third person reference refers to the elect and not to the body of Christ, even the body in vital living union, we would see things differently.</p>
<p>Take care,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2008/01/22/the-church-is-not-the-visible-church/comment-page-1/#comment-113411</link>
		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, now you&#039;ve corrected it (just to avoid confusion to future readers.)  It&#039;s mildly satisfying to know I wasn&#039;t missing the point  THAT badly.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now you&#8217;ve corrected it (just to avoid confusion to future readers.)  It&#8217;s mildly satisfying to know I wasn&#8217;t missing the point  THAT badly.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2008/01/22/the-church-is-not-the-visible-church/comment-page-1/#comment-113373</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I had an attack of dyslexia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I had an attack of dyslexia.</p>
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		<title>By: pentamom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pentamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you reverse &quot;visible&quot; and &quot;invisible&quot; in paragraph 2, sentence 1?

If not, I guess I have to reread your whole post more carefully because I&#039;m missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you reverse &#8220;visible&#8221; and &#8220;invisible&#8221; in paragraph 2, sentence 1?</p>
<p>If not, I guess I have to reread your whole post more carefully because I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
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		<title>By: al</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2008/01/22/the-church-is-not-the-visible-church/comment-page-1/#comment-113251</link>
		<dc:creator>al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oddly, one doesn’t have to be a paedobaptist to know better. &lt;/i&gt;

This same discussion occurred over at Frank Turk&#039;s blog.  There were a couple of paedobaptists defending the &quot;invisible body&quot; concept at least implicitly and that really bothered me.  Baptists sure, but paedobaptists?  Come on...

al sends</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oddly, one doesn’t have to be a paedobaptist to know better. </i></p>
<p>This same discussion occurred over at Frank Turk&#8217;s blog.  There were a couple of paedobaptists defending the &#8220;invisible body&#8221; concept at least implicitly and that really bothered me.  Baptists sure, but paedobaptists?  Come on&#8230;</p>
<p>al sends</p>
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