Comments on: About Steve Wilkins and SJC http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/ The cyberstalkable freelance writer making retractions on the web since 2000.... Oops, 1993? Thu, 18 Mar 2010 05:03:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Matt http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/comment-page-1/#comment-87405 Matt Sun, 02 Dec 2007 04:02:37 +0000 http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/#comment-87405 If the deck is so stacked against the FV, and the SJC political machine so biased as you argue....why would you want to stay and be part of a denomination that's so corrupted? If the deck is so stacked against the FV, and the SJC political machine so biased as you argue….why would you want to stay and be part of a denomination that’s so corrupted?

]]> By: Richard http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/comment-page-1/#comment-86957 Richard Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:18:54 +0000 http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/#comment-86957 David, Thanks for the response. I guess my next question would be if presbytery determines whether or not to indict when charges are filed. I agree with what Mark said, that charges should have been filed. But if one of those men had issued charges officially in LAP, wouldn't the presbytery then determine whether or not to indict? Thus, filing charges doesn't automatically mean a trial will be held? And, if that is the case, would the next step procedurally be for the accuser to ask the SJC to take a look into the matter? David,

Thanks for the response. I guess my next question would be if presbytery determines whether or not to indict when charges are filed.

I agree with what Mark said, that charges should have been filed. But if one of those men had issued charges officially in LAP, wouldn’t the presbytery then determine whether or not to indict? Thus, filing charges doesn’t automatically mean a trial will be held?

And, if that is the case, would the next step procedurally be for the accuser to ask the SJC to take a look into the matter?

]]> By: barlow http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/comment-page-1/#comment-86796 barlow Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:20:48 +0000 http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/#comment-86796 Wilson has really done a good job of clarifying the issues. In the end, none of it matters unless the people *on the SJC* can be persuaded in sufficient numbers to vote against conviction in order to set up even the possibility for oversight of the SJC. I think the only way justice can be done is to have some kind of letter writing campaign to the members of the SJC trying to help them understand the nature of what is happening. I'm not impugning their motives or their intelligence, just that there is a social circle that will exert a great deal of power over their interpretation of what is and isn't plausible. Wilson has really done a good job of clarifying the issues. In the end, none of it matters unless the people *on the SJC* can be persuaded in sufficient numbers to vote against conviction in order to set up even the possibility for oversight of the SJC. I think the only way justice can be done is to have some kind of letter writing campaign to the members of the SJC trying to help them understand the nature of what is happening. I’m not impugning their motives or their intelligence, just that there is a social circle that will exert a great deal of power over their interpretation of what is and isn’t plausible.

]]> By: David Gilleran http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/comment-page-1/#comment-86729 David Gilleran Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:56:55 +0000 http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/#comment-86729 Richard in the PCA a complaint and dissent are formal ways of protesting a vote or to get a vote overturned. To fiel charges begins to the whole judicial process. Richard in the PCA a complaint and dissent are formal ways of protesting a vote or to get a vote overturned. To fiel charges begins to the whole judicial process.

]]> By: Richard http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/comment-page-1/#comment-86662 Richard Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:58:00 +0000 http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/11/29/about-steve-wilkins-and-sjc/#comment-86662 Mark, Is there a difference between pressing charges and filing a complaint or dissent? In the <a href="http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2007/11/06/pca-sjc-decision-complaint-against-louisiana-presbytery/" rel="nofollow">SJC Decision</a>, it says that on 2/15 TE James Jones filed a complaint with LAP about the decision to exonerate, and on 2/20 TE Howard Davis filed a dissent about the same thing. The complaint was denied by LAP. If either of these men had filed charges, couldn't the presbytery have done the same thing and dismissed them? (and wouldn't it have appeared likely that they would, since they had just dismissed the complaint?) It does appear to me that the GA is encroaching on the Presbytery's authority... but I also wonder if actual charges against Wilkins at the presbytery level would have stuck. And, if they didn't, wouldn't going to the SJC be the proper procedural thing to do? Mark,

Is there a difference between pressing charges and filing a complaint or dissent?

In the SJC Decision, it says that on 2/15 TE James Jones filed a complaint with LAP about the decision to exonerate, and on 2/20 TE Howard Davis filed a dissent about the same thing.

The complaint was denied by LAP.

If either of these men had filed charges, couldn’t the presbytery have done the same thing and dismissed them? (and wouldn’t it have appeared likely that they would, since they had just dismissed the complaint?)

It does appear to me that the GA is encroaching on the Presbytery’s authority… but I also wonder if actual charges against Wilkins at the presbytery level would have stuck.

And, if they didn’t, wouldn’t going to the SJC be the proper procedural thing to do?

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