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	<title>Comments on: For All The Saints</title>
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		<title>By: Taylor Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/08/15/for-all-the-saints-2/comment-page-1/#comment-55670</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good book as it basically serves as an appendix to his Resurrection of the Son of God.

Wright affirms prayers for the dead, because it is intimately connected to the resurrection of dead. This is a Jewish practice going back well before the time of Christ. The Maccebaean chronicles connect the practice to a belief in the resurrection of the dead, and so, of course, Wright is going to approve of it.

The problem is that all the Reformers knew that such a practice was essentially linked to Purgatory or at least a notion that the departed could experience a state that required progress. It basically requires a belief in purgatory. C.S. Lewis prayed for the dead and openly declared his belief in Purgatory because it&#039;s hard to have one without the other.

I thought Wright set up a straw man about the Catholic Church&#039;s doctrine of purgatory. It&#039;s not all gloom and doom with black vestments (a critique of Wright, which is ironically amplified in the practice of Presbyterian ministers wearing &quot;liturgical black&quot; robes all year round). St. Catherine of Genoa (15th century) wrote that the pain experienced in Purgatory is more pleasurable than the greatest pleasure on earth. St. Paul describes a purifying fire that the believer shall experience at death (1 Cor 3:15). This makes sense because we die with attachments to sin and with a lack of charity in our hearts.

Even if Purgatory didn&#039;t exist, I would still ask Christ my Lord to cleanse the defects of my soul before I embraced Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good book as it basically serves as an appendix to his Resurrection of the Son of God.</p>
<p>Wright affirms prayers for the dead, because it is intimately connected to the resurrection of dead. This is a Jewish practice going back well before the time of Christ. The Maccebaean chronicles connect the practice to a belief in the resurrection of the dead, and so, of course, Wright is going to approve of it.</p>
<p>The problem is that all the Reformers knew that such a practice was essentially linked to Purgatory or at least a notion that the departed could experience a state that required progress. It basically requires a belief in purgatory. C.S. Lewis prayed for the dead and openly declared his belief in Purgatory because it&#8217;s hard to have one without the other.</p>
<p>I thought Wright set up a straw man about the Catholic Church&#8217;s doctrine of purgatory. It&#8217;s not all gloom and doom with black vestments (a critique of Wright, which is ironically amplified in the practice of Presbyterian ministers wearing &#8220;liturgical black&#8221; robes all year round). St. Catherine of Genoa (15th century) wrote that the pain experienced in Purgatory is more pleasurable than the greatest pleasure on earth. St. Paul describes a purifying fire that the believer shall experience at death (1 Cor 3:15). This makes sense because we die with attachments to sin and with a lack of charity in our hearts.</p>
<p>Even if Purgatory didn&#8217;t exist, I would still ask Christ my Lord to cleanse the defects of my soul before I embraced Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but your parenthetical remark about Wright possibly needing more Anglo-Catholic influence could use a little balance, at least on this (that is, his) side of the pond: &quot;Forward in Faith&quot; (the traditional A-C grouping) is matched by &quot;Affirming Catholicism&quot; (more obviously, the liberal wing).  The Church of England lost a shedload of its conservative Anglo-Caths to Rome when it started ordaining women, and it&#039;s now mostly the liberal ones who are kicking round.  Including the Grand Poobah himself, who helped set up AffCath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but your parenthetical remark about Wright possibly needing more Anglo-Catholic influence could use a little balance, at least on this (that is, his) side of the pond: &#8220;Forward in Faith&#8221; (the traditional A-C grouping) is matched by &#8220;Affirming Catholicism&#8221; (more obviously, the liberal wing).  The Church of England lost a shedload of its conservative Anglo-Caths to Rome when it started ordaining women, and it&#8217;s now mostly the liberal ones who are kicking round.  Including the Grand Poobah himself, who helped set up AffCath.</p>
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		<title>By: Review &#171; tensions (2 ages verging)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Review &#171; tensions (2 ages verging)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Review August 16th, 2007   N.T. Wright&#8217;s For All the Saints, is a book that confirmed a lot of my thinking, especially on the relation to body/soul, and the importance of the eschatological resurrection.  Mark Hornes recently reviewed the book. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Review August 16th, 2007   N.T. Wright&#8217;s For All the Saints, is a book that confirmed a lot of my thinking, especially on the relation to body/soul, and the importance of the eschatological resurrection.  Mark Hornes recently reviewed the book. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Boar&#8217;s Head Tavern &#187;</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/08/15/for-all-the-saints-2/comment-page-1/#comment-55110</link>
		<dc:creator>The Boar&#8217;s Head Tavern &#187;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Hornes review of For All the Saints.    Posted by: Joel Hunter @ 9:41 am &#124; Trackback &#124; Permalink [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mark Hornes review of For All the Saints.    Posted by: Joel Hunter @ 9:41 am | Trackback | Permalink [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Highlights</title>
		<link>http://www.hornes.org/mark/2007/08/15/for-all-the-saints-2/comment-page-1/#comment-55102</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morning Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Death, the maiden (or not), and all the rest, a book review of N.T. Wright&#8217;s latest book at Once More with Feeling. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Death, the maiden (or not), and all the rest, a book review of N.T. Wright&#8217;s latest book at Once More with Feeling. [...]</p>
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